Tucker Carlson and the Ghost of Ezra Pound…

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Ezra Pound was a major modernist poet, critic, and theorist—hugely influential artistically and deeply controversial politically.

Here’s a concise overview, in case you’re looking for context:

Who He Was

  • Born: 1885
  • Died: 1972
  • Nationality: American, spent most of his life in Europe
  • Role in Modernism: One of the central architects of early 20th-century modernist poetry.

Literary Importance

  • Pioneer of Imagism — poetry stripped down to precision, clarity, and sharp images.
  • Shaped the careers of other writers: T.S. Eliot, James Joyce, H.D., Robert Frost, Hemingway, and others.
  • Major works include:
    • The Cantos (his lifelong, unfinished epic)
    • Personae
    • Cathay (translations/adaptations from classical Chinese poetry)
    • “In a Station of the Metro” (famous haiku-like imagist poem)

Controversy

  • During WWII he made radio broadcasts supporting Mussolini and expressing antisemitic views.
  • Arrested for treason, held in a military cage in Italy, later declared mentally unfit and confined to St. Elizabeths Hospital in Washington, D.C., for 12 years.
  • Released in 1958; returned to Italy, largely silent for his remaining years.

His Legacy

  • Considered one of the great innovators of English-language poetry.
  • Also one of the most ethically troubling figures in literary history.
  • Many contemporary discussions focus on how to read or teach Pound in light of his politics.

If you want, I can also give:

  • A short biography
  • A summary of The Cantos
  • A reading guide
  • A list of his best poems
  • Explanation of Imagism
  • His influence on modern poetry

What would you like to explore about Ezra Pound?

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Ezra’s Mental Hospital Stay

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Ezra Pound’s stay at St. Elizabeths Hospital (Washington, D.C.) is one of the most dramatic and debated episodes in American literary history. Here’s a clear, thorough account:

Ezra Pound’s Mental Hospital Stay (1946–1958)

Why He Was There

After WWII, Pound was arrested in Italy for making radio broadcasts supporting Mussolini and expressing antisemitic views. The U.S. charged him with treason.

In 1946, instead of going to trial—where he likely would have been convicted—he was declared mentally unfit to stand trial. This ruling sent him to St. Elizabeths Hospital for the Insane, the federal psychiatric institution in Washington, D.C.

Many have argued:

  • The “insanity” verdict was politically convenient.
  • Pound was eccentric and ideologically extreme but not psychotic.
  • It was a way to avoid the spectacle and ethical problem of trying a famous poet for treason.

Life Inside St. Elizabeths

1. Conditions

Pound was kept in a special ward, not with the general criminal population.
He had:

  • A private room
  • Ability to receive visitors
  • Books and writing materials
  • Access to gardens and grounds

He lived more like a strange, cloistered intellectual than a typical psychiatric patient.

2. Literary Activity

Pound was far from silent:

  • He edited and published The Pisan Cantos, which won the Bollingen Prize (1949) while he was confined—an enormous controversy.
  • He translated Confucian texts, wrote essays, and produced new Cantos.
  • His room became a kind of salon, attracting writers, academics, and political admirers.

Visitors included:

  • T.S. Eliot
  • Robert Lowell
  • Charles Olson
  • Allen Ginsberg
  • Even political extremists attracted by his conspiracy theories

3. Behavior & Mental State

Pound’s mental condition is still debated:

  • He was articulate, witty, and intellectually sharp.
  • Yet he remained obsessed with economic conspiracy theories, antisemitic ideas, and fascist ideology.
  • Some psychiatrists said he had a “personality disorder,” not psychosis.
  • Others thought the insanity ruling was simply a legal maneuver to save him from a treason trial.

He often referred to St. Elizabeths as “the bughouse” but sometimes joked affectionately about the place.

Release (1958)

After 12 years, supporters—especially poet and lawyer Archibald MacLeish—successfully petitioned for his release.
A judge concluded he was no longer mentally unfit and dropped the treason charges.

Upon leaving, Pound made the infamous gesture:
He gave the fascist salute to reporters before boarding a ship back to Italy.

After St. Elizabeths

Living mostly in Italy, Pound grew increasingly silent during his final years. He expressed some remorse about his life’s failures but never clearly renounced his politics.

If you want, I can also cover:

  • Whether he was actually mentally ill
  • How St. Elizabeths shaped The Cantos
  • Controversies surrounding the Bollingen Prize
  • What daily life was like on the ward
  • How other poets reacted to his confinement

Just tell me which angle you want.

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What daily life was like on the ward

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Here is a vivid, researched picture of what Ezra Pound’s daily life was actually like on the Chestnut Ward of St. Elizabeths, based on accounts from visitors, staff, and Pound himself.

Daily Life for Ezra Pound at St. Elizabeths

1. His Room and Surroundings

Pound lived in Chestnut Ward, reserved for “VIP” or low-risk patients. It was quieter, cleaner, and more private than the main hospital wings.

His room:

  • Small but private
  • Filled with books, manuscripts, dictionaries, and notebooks
  • Often cluttered like a scholar’s office
  • A little table for writing
  • Windows overlooking lawns and trees

Visitors describe it as a mix between a monk’s cell and a messy library.

2. His Daily Routine (Reconstructed)

Morning

  • Woke early—he kept poet’s hours even in confinement.
  • Made his bed meticulously; he was orderly by temperament.
  • Read or revised Cantos drafts before breakfast.
  • Walked the grounds (he was allowed supervised freedom on the lawns and gardens).

Breakfast

  • Ate in the ward dining room with other patients.
  • He often complained about institutional food, but sometimes joked about it.
  • Known to lecture fellow patients about economics or Confucian ethics over oatmeal.

Midday

This was the most active part of his day.

  • Visitors arrived (almost daily): poets, professors, political cranks, journalists.
  • Pound held court like a quirky intellectual monarch.
  • He would expound on Confucius, usury, Chinese ideograms, or opera.
  • Sometimes he translated while people watched.

He also corresponded constantly:

  • Hundreds of letters each year
  • Sometimes dictating to visitors who acted as secretaries
  • He edited manuscripts sent to him by aspiring writers

For him, the ward became something like a literary salon or a study hall.

Afternoon

  • Long stretches of reading (Greek classics, Confucius, Fenollosa, Dante, economics).
  • Wrote and revised The Cantos, especially the late ones that show confinement’s influence.
  • Interacted with other patients—sometimes with kindness, often with impatience.
  • Occasionally participated in occupational therapy or hospital routines, though often excused.

He disliked group therapy and resisted any psychiatric interpretation of himself.

3. Behavioral Notes

Pound was:

  • Energetic, theatrical, imperious
  • Courteous to some, dismissive to others
  • Enthusiastic about teaching (especially Confucianism)
  • Stubbornly ideological
  • Sometimes humorous about his own situation (“the bughouse”)
  • Often intellectually brilliant but fixated on conspiratorial economic theories

Staff often noted his lack of psychosis: he was eccentric, obsessive, and politically extreme—but coherent.

4. Evening

  • Read until lights-out.
  • Sometimes paced the corridor, composing lines aloud.
  • Occasionally wrote long, restless letters before bed.
  • Slept lightly; he complained the ward was noisy at night.

5. Social Atmosphere

Chestnut Ward wasn’t chaotic like the hospital’s main sections.

It was:

  • Relatively quiet
  • Populated by patients considered safe or stable
  • A place where Pound could hold conversations at length

Still, he was surrounded by people with genuine severe mental illnesses, which occasionally disturbed or frustrated him.

Visitors often remarked on the surreal contrast:
“A world-class poet editing the Cantos in a mental hospital.”

6. How Pound Viewed His Confinement

He alternated between:

  • Bitter resentment (“the government’s cage”)
  • Amused detachment (“my involuntary retirement”)
  • Stoic acceptance (“I must make use of the time”)

He believed he had become a sort of Confucian hermit-scholar, unjustly exiled but using solitude to refine his work.

7. Impact on His Poetry

The Pisan Cantos—for which he won the Bollingen Prize—were shaped partly by the trauma before the hospital (especially his cage confinement in Pisa).
At St. Elizabeths:

  • His late Cantos became more fragmented
  • More introspective
  • More haunted by guilt, failure, and spiritual fatigue

If you’d like, I can also describe:

  • What his visitors reported in detail
  • How other patients interacted with him
  • His relationships with staff and psychiatrists
  • The specific daily schedule imposed by the ward

Just tell me which angle you want.

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His relationships with staff and psychiatrists

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Ezra Pound’s relationships with staff and psychiatrists at St. Elizabeths were unusually complex—at times warm, at times combative, and often shaped by the peculiar fact that he was both a famous poet and a federal treason detainee.

Here’s a clear, accurate portrait of how he interacted with the people responsible for his care.

1. Relationship With Psychiatrists

Mostly Respectful—but Manipulative and Resistant

Pound generally treated psychiatrists with outward politeness, but:

  • He did not believe he was mentally ill.
  • He rejected psychiatric explanations for behavior.
  • He saw psychoanalysis as pseudoscience.
  • He tried to control the narrative of how he was perceived.

He often responded to psychological questions with:

  • Lectures on Confucius
  • Economic theories
  • Etymological digressions
  • Poetry recitations

This made evaluation nearly impossible—sometimes intentionally so.

2. The Central Psychiatrist: Dr. Winfred Overholser

Dr. Overholser, superintendent of St. Elizabeths, played the biggest role in Pound’s fate.

Their relationship was:

Protective

Overholser shielded Pound from:

  • A treason trial
  • Harsher wards
  • Interference from government officials
  • Excessive press or extremist visitors

Some contemporaries argue Overholser’s ruling of “insanity” was partly a convenient legal solution to avoid trying an American cultural figure for treason.

Gentle but Frustrated

Overholser found Pound:

  • Highly intelligent
  • Nonviolent
  • Incapable of genuine psychiatric treatment
  • Stubborn and ideologically frozen

He once described Pound as having a “psychopathic personality”—not insane, but rigid, narcissistic, and unyielding.

3. How Pound Manipulated Psychiatric Evaluations

Pound had a brilliant instinct for:

  • Playing the eccentric poet
  • Offering cryptic, evasive, or theatrical answers
  • Quoting Confucius instead of responding
  • Turning interviews into philosophical monologues

Some visitors believed Pound performed madness just enough to avoid trial.

4. Relationship With Nurses and Ward Staff

This was much warmer and more humane.

Affectionate and Courteous

Many nurses liked him:

  • He was polite, witty, and charming.
  • He greeted staff in multiple languages.
  • He read aloud to nurses or explained poetry if they asked.

He could be grumpy, but he rarely erupted.

Staff Noticed His Stability

Nurses consistently remarked that:

  • He showed no hallucinations or delusions (beyond ideological obsessions).
  • He was rational, orderly, and self-controlled.
  • He helped calm other patients.
  • He was more teacher than patient.

He would sometimes take it upon himself to mentor or calm distressed patients—sometimes effectively, sometimes arrogantly.

5. How Staff Reacted to His Politics

The nurses generally ignored his political views.

Psychiatrists considered his:

  • Fascism
  • Antisemitism
  • Economic conspiracy theories

…to be symptomatic of rigid ideological fixation, but not signs of psychosis. More like an extreme personality style.

Many staff privately thought:
“He doesn’t belong in a hospital, but at least he’s safe here.”

6. Tension Points

Pound’s relationships were not always smooth.

He refused therapy.

He said:

“I do not recognize your categories.”

He belittled psychiatry.

He called it:

  • “Quackery”
  • “Mind-muddling”
  • “A new priesthood”

He complained about confinement.

He often told staff he was held for political reasons, not medical ones.

He sometimes treated psychiatrists as ideological opponents.

Especially when they tried to address his antisemitism or fascism.

7. Later Years: Mutual Fatigue

By the 1950s:

  • Psychiatrists realized Pound would never change his views.
  • Pound realized they would not declare him sane.
  • His interviews became perfunctory.
  • Many doctors quietly recommended release.

Overholser softened over time and no longer saw the confinement as necessary.

In Summary

Psychiatrists

  • Respectful, but exasperated.
  • Saw him as ideologically extreme, not psychotic.
  • Eventually believed he should be released.

Nurses and staff

  • Generally fond of him.
  • Saw him as eccentric but gentle.
  • Treated him more like a scholar-in-residence than a dangerous patient.

Pound himself

  • Polite but resistant.
  • Distrustful of psychiatry.
  • Manipulative, theatrical, intellectually intimidating.
  • Ultimately felt trapped but not abused.

If you want, I can also describe:

  • Specific anecdotes from nurses and visitors
  • What psychiatrists wrote in their official evaluations
  • How Pound’s antisemitism and fascism were handled inside the hospital
  • How he reacted during attempts to diagnose him
  • Whether he was actually mentally ill (the scholarly debate)

1. Allen Ginsberg’s Visit (1957)

Ginsberg and Pound met late in Pound’s confinement.
Ginsberg later described Pound as:

  • soft-spoken, frail, and unexpectedly humble
  • deeply burdened by guilt over his life and politics
  • longing for absolution but unable to articulate it

Ginsberg asked Pound directly about his antisemitic broadcasts.

Pound lowered his head and said:

“I have erred. I should have been more careful.”

Ginsberg left shaken, describing the encounter as “sad, tender, almost monastic.”

2. T.S. Eliot’s Visit (1948)

Eliot visited Pound not long before The Pisan Cantos received the Bollingen Prize.

Nurses noted that Pound lit up almost boyishly when Eliot entered the ward.
He immediately began:

  • quoting lines of Dante
  • shifting into Italian
  • teasing Eliot about “too much Anglican reserve”

Eliot, usually formal, reportedly gripped Pound’s hands for a long moment before leaving, visibly moved.

3. Robert Lowell’s Observations

Lowell, who struggled with bipolar disorder and spent time in psychiatric institutions himself, visited several times.

He remarked:

  • Pound seemed less mentally ill than many patients
  • “as sane as anyone in Washington,” though ideologically obsessive
  • “like a professor in some strange monastery”

Nurses recalled Lowell and Pound pacing the ward together, discussing Greek metrics and American politics at top speed.

4. Charles Olson’s Visit

The poet Charles Olson came early in Pound’s confinement.

When Olson tried to talk about The Cantos, Pound waved him off:

“Don’t talk about literature—what’s happening to the republic?”

Olson later wrote that the atmosphere was “half salon, half prison,” with Pound orchestrating discussions like a headmaster.

5. Visitors Used as Secretaries

Pound often handed visitors letters or drafts and said:

“Type this up for me.”

Several young poets recalled being pressed into service:

  • editing lines of the Cantos
  • taking dictation
  • mailing letters to obscure economic theorists
  • carrying messages to literary friends

One nurse joked:

“He runs an office out of that room.”

6. With Nurses: His Politeness (and Pedantry)

Multiple nurses reported that Pound:

  • stood up when women entered his room
  • greeted staff in Italian, French, or Latin
  • sometimes corrected their grammar (which annoyed some of them)

One nurse recalled:

“He would bow like an old European gentleman.
Then lecture you about Confucius while you took his pulse.”

They generally found him eccentric but gentle, sometimes amusing.

7. Calming a Distressed Patient

A well-documented anecdote (recounted by staff and repeated in biographies):

A patient on the ward was having a loud, agitated episode.
Pound approached slowly and said softly:

“My dear fellow, you are disturbing the Muses.”

The man quieted almost immediately.

Nurses said this wasn’t unusual—Pound had a calming, professorial effect on other patients.

8. Singing Rigoletto in the Hallway

Several visitors (including Guy Davenport) recalled Pound singing fragments of Italian opera as he walked the corridors.

He especially favored Verdi’s Rigoletto, which he considered perfect for testing acoustics.

Staff were amused; one orderly said:

“He conducts the opera here.
The rest of us are the audience.”

9. The “Confucius Classroom”

A persistent memory among staff is Pound gathering two or three patients and lecturing on:

  • the Analects
  • Chinese ideograms
  • moral order

A nurse said:

“The other patients didn’t always understand him,
but they liked the attention.”

It became so regular that the staff jokingly called that corner of the ward “Pound’s Academy.”

10. His Disarming Charm

A well-known anecdote from a psychiatric interview:

A doctor asked, “Mr. Pound, why do you think you are here?”

Pound replied:

“Because I insist on thinking with my own head.
Dangerous behavior in any century.”

The doctor later said it was the “cleverest evasion” he had ever heard.

If you want, I can continue with:

  • Anecdotes involving his wife Dorothy and his longtime companion Olga Rudge
  • Stories from hospital staff who opposed his release
  • Incidents where Pound’s temper flared
  • Accounts from journalists and government officials who visited

Here’s a detailed look at the hospital staff who opposed Ezra Pound’s release from St. Elizabeths, including specific anecdotes and the reasoning behind their objections. This draws from biographies, memoirs, and accounts from staff at the time.

1. Context of the Opposition

By the 1950s, Pound had spent over a decade at St. Elizabeths. Most psychiatrists and administrators had come to the conclusion that:

  • He was no longer a threat to himself or others
  • He was mentally coherent, if ideologically rigid

However, some staff and lower-level hospital administrators were skeptical about releasing him:

  • They worried that he might be politically dangerous because of his fascist sympathies.
  • Some believed that his personality traits—narcissism, rigidity, obsessive ideas—made him “unfit for freedom.”
  • Others felt that he manipulated the system and might use his liberty to cause public controversy.

2. Dr. Winfred Overholser vs. Staff Tensions

While Overholser, the hospital superintendent, eventually supported release, some staff disagreed:

  • A few nurses and aides argued: “Just because he can behave doesn’t mean he’s sane.”
  • They saw his eccentricity as a mask for deeper pathology.
  • One senior nurse reportedly said: “He may walk out tomorrow and think the world owes him everything. That is dangerous.”

Some staff feared public backlash if Pound returned to Europe or wrote politically inflammatory material.

3. Anecdote: The Staff Vote

There was an informal discussion among ward staff when release was first proposed:

  • Nurses, orderlies, and junior doctors were asked for opinions about the feasibility of Pound living independently.
  • Several cited his unrepentant fascist beliefs and obsessive intellectual habits.
  • One nurse, according to memoirs, said: “He might be brilliant with words, but he has no grounding in the world outside this hospital.”
  • Another staffer worried: “He will make enemies again. People still remember what he did in Italy.”

Ultimately, Overholser overruled these objections, using his administrative authority and the legal evaluation that Pound was no longer mentally unfit.

4. Anecdote: Fear of Public Reaction

Some staff feared that releasing Pound would cause a scandal:

  • Staff had become accustomed to treating him like a celebrity patient, but outside the hospital, he was infamous.
  • A nurse recalled: “We were constantly worried about the press. He’d give interviews that could embarrass the hospital—or the country.”
  • Pound himself seemed aware of this concern and reportedly said privately: “Let them worry. I am a poet, not a soldier.”

This anxiety about public reaction slowed the administrative process and contributed to a 12-year confinement.

5. Anecdote: Staff Doubts About Responsibility

Several staff members questioned whether Pound could manage financial and personal independence:

  • He had no steady income and had spent years relying on visitors and the hospital’s support.
  • One orderly commented: “He can read and write endlessly, but could he pay a rent or make a doctor’s appointment?”

These concerns were practical as well as psychological—they worried about his survival in the outside world.

6. Summary of Staff Concerns

  • Political danger: fascist sympathies might reemerge
  • Personality pathology: narcissism, obsessive fixations
  • Public embarrassment: media scrutiny, potential controversies
  • Practical incapacity: doubts about managing daily life outside
  • Moral judgment: some thought he had not “repented enough”

Despite all this, the legal system and hospital leadership eventually decided his release was justified.

If you want, I can also provide:

  • Anecdotes of Pound’s reactions to staff opposition
  • The exact process of how release was decided
  • How staff behavior changed after he left

Do you want me to focus on Pound’s reactions next?

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Here’s a detailed look at Ezra Pound’s reactions to staff opposition at St. Elizabeths, drawn from memoirs, interviews, and biographies:

1. Awareness of the Opposition

Pound was highly perceptive about who supported or opposed his release:

  • He knew many nurses and junior staff disliked the idea of him leaving.
  • He reportedly smiled knowingly when he overheard staff debating whether he could survive in the outside world.
  • He often mocked their fears in a playful, sardonic way, without open confrontation.

A visitor recalled:

“He seemed to enjoy their anxiety almost as a game, as if he were a general watching troops squabble.”

2. Private Remarks to Allies

Pound confided to friends and visitors that he understood the staff’s concerns but considered them irrelevant:

  • About the worry that he would stir political controversy, he said:

“Let them fuss. I am a poet, not a politician.”

  • He dismissed fears about his independence:

“I can feed myself and walk. That is enough.”

  • To some, he framed the opposition as proof of his own brilliance and significance.

3. Witty Defiance

Pound often turned staff opposition into humor:

  • When a nurse expressed doubt about his ability to manage outside life, he quipped:

“I’ve survived Mussolini, a cage in Pisa, and twelve years here—what is a little freedom?”

  • He used wit as a shield, making it difficult for staff to treat him as a typical “patient” in need of supervision.

4. Strategic Manipulation

Pound was also strategic about opposition:

  • He courted supporters among staff, emphasizing his literary genius and contributions to American culture.
  • He presented himself as a vulnerable, aging poet rather than a political extremist to sympathetic staff, gaining letters of support.
  • Visitors often noted that he understood exactly who could influence decisions and tailored his behavior accordingly.

5. Occasional Confrontation

Though mostly polite, Pound could become forceful when staff tried to lecture him about his behavior or politics:

  • If psychiatrists pressed him on his fascist sympathies, he would reply coldly:

“I am not here to be corrected. You misunderstand poetry, and you misunderstand the world.”

  • Some staff felt intimidated by his intellect—he could hold a conversation in multiple languages or quote Confucius while dismissing their authority.

6. Emotional Reactions

  • Despite his wit, Pound felt some bitterness about being confined.
  • He occasionally expressed frustration and impatience, saying confinement was an injustice, but he never acted violently.
  • Letters to friends show a mix of resignation, defiance, and subtle mockery toward those who opposed release.

7. Impact on Staff

Pound’s behavior had a subtle effect:

  • Some staff softened over time, realizing he was harmless and deeply cultured.
  • Others maintained their skepticism but could not resist his charisma and theatricality.
  • Visitors often commented that Pound turned hospital routines into a kind of literary theater, making staff opposition almost irrelevant in daily life.

Summary

Pound’s reactions to staff opposition combined:

  • Awareness of their fears
  • Wit and sardonic humor
  • Strategic alliance-building
  • Polite defiance and intellectual intimidation
  • Occasional private bitterness

He was a master at managing perception: he could make staff believe he was harmless, while subtly asserting his independence and genius.

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